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Posted on January 13 2010 at 02:33pm by hermanyip
A very big what's up from San Jose! I bought a 2002 Forum Recon as my first board when I was a junior in high school. I took such good care of it that I never had the heart to replace it until now. After almost 8 years of riding it, Its time to move on. However, I'm having a hard time finding a board that tailors to my specific needs. Luckily tho, my needs are extremely specific. I know exactly how I want to progress with my riding. The trouble is finding the right board. Could you please help a brotha out? My Specs: Height: 5'10" Current Gear: Board: 2002 Forum Recon 156 (basically a beginner's freeride board) Needs: -I'm getting bored of flying down runs at full speed, but I don't want to start hucking it in the park. All I really want right now is to get my switch down solid, learn flatland tricks, butter down the mountain, hit kickers on the side of runs, and maybe hit a box or two. Basically have fun goofing off while going down. -All mountain and freeride boards don't seem to flex enough to nose and tail press well, and the camber and direction shape don't lend to riding switch that well -park boards seem to be so park specific. I want the flex and twin directional aspects, but I don't want all the stuff for half-pipe, jibbing, and doing huge jumps. -I need to find a board that lies in between. In the most basic sense, a snowboard made specifically for flatland tricks. I hope this is enough info to get some solid help. Thanks in advance for anyone that responds! Cheers! |
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If you ask the friendly
If you ask the friendly staff at Dogfunk.com they'll be sure to help you choose a board. They have a live chat which is pretty useful.
NONSTOP Snowboard
http://NONSTOPsnowboard.com
thanks for the lead in
thanks for the lead in dude,
Dogfunk was nice, but I ended up doing my own research. I was leaning towards the Burton Joystick but I'm gonna choose the Lib Tech Skate Banana cause I don't wanna cough up more dough for est bindings. Any thoughts on the Banana? The only gripes I've found are the top cover peeling O_O and its sketchy on big jumps (but I don't have to worry about that so its ok)
Get the Joystick
You do not need EST bindings to ride the Joystick - you can get discs that go into any Burton bindings that will make it possible to ride the Channel mounting system. Lib's are crap, don't waste your money on marketing hype.
watch this video and understand why you DON"T want a LIBTECH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tut7p9rIWGw
Um, wow now I'm really
Um, wow now I'm really confused. Okay, I know I don't need training wheels, but I think I'm swaying away from EST still. Geez. Didn't think this would be so annoying. How about a Capita?
Okay, I'm zeroing in on the
Okay, I'm zeroing in on the Forum Destroyer Chillydog 154. Gonna try and demo it this Saturday at Northstar. Hope I made a solid choice.
Oh btw, thanks alot for
Oh btw, thanks alot for spiking my curiosities about the libtech and gnu boards. After much digging and research, it really does seem like they have way too much reverse camber and theyre trying to compensate with magne-traction. I know I know...nothing beats demoing but that'll be the next step. Thanks alot man!
Lots of variables here...
Hey, Herman. I've read all of the responses up until this point, as well as what you're looking for in a board.
The responses about Mervin's (Lib Tech and GNU) hype and marketing are just that...hype and marketing. However, don't be led astray. Mervin doesn't make a crappy board. I've ridden them on and off for the past 20 years, and to this day, have never broken one. They do have a distinct feel compared to most other boards out there, since one factory makes Lib Tech and GNU, while a handful of factories in China and Austria make 90-percent of the world's boards. All small factories make boards that feel different than the "norm". Consider them "special".
I'll try to set the record straight with the three main boards we're talking about here: the Destroyer Chilidog, Joystick and Skate Banana.
-Joystick. This is the "loosest" feeling board of the three. It has a soft-ish core, continuous rocker that runs from tip to tail and a dished tip and tail. The core profile of the Joystick leaves each tip raised slightly off of the snow, while standing flat-based. This gives it a shorter feel while flat-based. It's a great board for anywhere in the park, but can get a bit squirrely at very high speeds. As for the ICS (Infinite Channel System), you can use any Burton binding, regardless of it being EST or classic 3D baseplate.
-Forum Destroyer. The Destroyer is the meatiest of the three, and also features a full-running reverse camber. You won't find it as nimble buttering and jibbing, but it will feel more playful than your cambered board. The one thing you'll notice between the Destroyer and your Recon is that the Destroyer probably won't feel quite as poppy (depending on how many miles are on your Recon), which may not be a bad thing, depending on your riding preferences...again, more reason to demo.
-Skate Banana. Mervin's reverse camber method will feel the most at home to riders switching from positive camber for the first time. Mervin just released their C2 Power Banana (reverse camber between the feet, and cambered towards the tips), which blends the playful reverse camber feel with aggressive camber snap. The Skate Banana, however, has reverse camber between the feet, and runs flat out toward the tips. When you stand on it flat-based, the contact points of the tips (just like with your cambered board) make contact with the snow, so your effective base is the same length as your effective edge. This makes (in my opinion) Mervin's Banana camber the best all-around reverse camber. As for the "hype" of Magne-Traction, a board's sidecut has nothing to do with its camber. However, Boards with Banana and Magne-Traction (BTX) can feel a bit edgy, and may take some getting used to. When a board doesn't have to fight its camber to flex into a turn, things can happen quickly, and grippy sidecuts can be too much for some people.
My opinion for any board is to first demo it before you buy it, especially when changing brands, lengths, and cambers. Reverse camber isn't for everyone, and it's best to figure out what you're into before dropping $500 on a new board, and discovering you don't like it because you bought the wrong camber. Snowboarding is supposed to be fun, so pick what you like best, not based on hype and marketing. Go feel it out.
Let us know what board you end up with, and if you want more info, check out Platinum Pick Board Test in our Buyer's Guide. All three of these boards were in that test, and each were ridden extensively. Hope that helps.
-Mike
Yo Mike! Thanks a bunch for
Yo Mike!
Thanks a bunch for all the awesome info! Mos definitely Karma points for you. (However, I'm thinking you work for the site in some way, and it's your job to reply to posts, but It's cool tho, still a an extremely helpful response) You should get a raise!
Day trip to Northstar was a total shitstorm. Didn't get to demo anything. Left at 7 from Sac. Hit chain control, didn't arrive til 12. Looked for parking til 1:30. Got to the Gondola at 2. Took 2 lifts to the backside to avoid the crowds. Backside was CLOSED?! First run at 2:30. ARGH!!! Miracle that I got any riding in at all. Any is better than none I suppose.
Good news is I'm heading to Sierra to meet a bud for a weekend cabin trip. Hopefully I can get a demo day in. Fingers crossed.
A couple questions tho:
If I didn't mention any brands or specific boards at all, what are some boards you would recommend based solely on the riding info I dished out in my first post?
And...I ride a 156 now, but I've always felt like I wanted a shorter board. I was thinking 152-154. I was looking at twsnow good wood rider bios and the riders in my range seem to prefer 154-156. Do you think 152 is too short for me?
Mike, once again thanks a bunch for all the help. Hope your season is going well.
-Herman