Snowboarding might be gay, but we all still do it. So complain about the style of it all you want, complain about how kids dress, how retarded this sport has become, but... see you on the hill.

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can somebody give me the cliffs notes to this post?

i cannot believe you fucking idiots....wait, no, no, i can belive (some of) you fucking idiots reply to w.m.'s ribbings.

Craig Kelly (and fat girls) Forever.

rad how seriously all you fucks take this shit. i was simply stirring the pot. yeah bro, im not into shredding at all.

...the easter bunny has taken a shit on snowboarding. judas...

i agree that dudes wearing chicks pants is pritty gay haha but like with your whole thing about all over prints is kinda stupid i mean. lol their jsut clothes snowboardings not really all bout what your fukin pants and jacket looks like. if you tihnk that snowboarding is gay cuz you dont like the clothes that the companys are making then you must not have really liked snowboarding to begin with lol

I don't know what to think. Because alot of your points are viable. But none the less, THIS IS SNOWBOARDING. You've forgotten what its all about. While some styles differ, there is one common goal. To have a good time. And it shouldnt matter what others are sportin. Theres many things I dont like about the sport, but in the bigger picture its exactly what it should be. Self expression.

I know its stupid on my part to say this. But it is what it is, if it wasnt it would be something else. Make any sence?

you're funny...but wrong. style didn't make snowboarding look gay, danny way did.

you know what else is gay? they layout of this site regarding how they show the threads. i can't tell whos commenting on what. and why do the lame assed "press releases" show up in active topics? they should have their own gay assed section so i can find out what stupid crap sims or flow is up too all in one place

anyway, i was thinking of this thread the other day when i was digging through boxes of mags from the early 90's.

is snowboarding MORE gay now then when damian was wearing neon wetsuits? more gay than 19 inch stances and 2 foot airs out of the pipe in bad boy club one pieces with oakley razors on? more gay than xxxl flannel shirts and xxxxl ballz snowpants on a 129 lunchtray with the nose sawed off? more gay than seeing 5-6 pics of J2 in the same mag??????????????? more gay than the kemper extreminators and quimbola man??????????????????

I'd love to agree with you. But the advice I have always given and still always give is, just ride. Don't hate, but ride, think to yourself and your i pod. After all, everyone dresses ridiculously these days.

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HYER!- girl pants, what broke bitch put on his big sisters hand me down pants and said" hey, this looks good", if you wear girl pants and you are a boy, you are a crossdressin nancy bitch, thats all there is to it! peace...but only to people that dont wear girl pants...cause your still wack!

I'm not going to sit here and suck your dick like everyone else but yeah I agree. I gave mine my Grams gave me to my girl. and yeah, it looked gay.

i dont really care what other people do, and if someone wants to wear girl pants and all over prints, it doesnt really bother me, i just want to ride and not really care what others do but...

i think a little bit of diversity is good, otherwise everything would be boring in snowboarding, but at the same time some people are taking it way too far.

i am so with you on this one bluebird. it seems that the snowboarding industry has turned into a hideous fashion show. hey, i understand some people want to look good and all, but the million color all over pattern shit is tasteless (for me at least). it seems that companies are less worried about putting out a solid functional product that will last and instead going for the outrageous patterns that will only be good for one season. next season you'll be out of style and need to buy, buy, buy!! and yes i know that in business you are out to make a profit and this is one way to do it, but this is not what is being talked about. personally, i don't care if the all pattern colorful shit is what you are into, that's your choice. one day you'll look back and say "what the fuck was i thinking of wearing that shit?". same shit happened in the 80's.

now to tight girlie jeans. WTF? i just don't get this one. it seems to be very uncomfortable having tight girlie jeans, but somehow many think other wise. for a man like myself and my shall i say "gift to women", that would be very uncomfortable. oh but wait, then there are those that decide to take it a bit further and sag those tight girlie jeans and walk with a jumpiddy, skippiddy, side to side kind of stroll. wtf, what up with that? to each his own i guess. i'll just continue to laugh at the whole thing.

i'll end it with this, remember you're on the hill to snowboard not in a fashion show.

*don't take it personal and don't get mad. BITCHES!!!!

I love this shit!

Willie, Snowboarding has been "gay" for years.

That is the reason I (with the help of my good friends Ryan and Scotty) started our own company four years ago. But back then, the gayness was in the corporate office of the "snowboard" companies I used to work for, and not on the hill.

These are the people that actually believed that putting the word "Volant" next to (a reasonably liked brand at the time) Limited would help sell snowboards. I go up to their offices to tell them the actual reason why there are 8000 boards in a warehouse north of Denver and not on snowboard hills all over the world and this is what I get in return: "Ah..we have college degrees in Marketing and Management... so why don't you just go back downstairs and keep making the boards."

So after the factory and company go under...I put myself through college in Denver...and in my sophomore year...Lucid Notion is born.

As the Co-Owner of the foremost "grown out of a bedroom" and "fuck off" company in snowboarding today... I can't help but side with Mr. McMillon and everyone involved with Bluebird on the overall gayness that is todays snowboard industry. And even though I have much more to say on this topic (And have a tremendous amount of respect for the entire Bluebird Crew) I will end with the fact that snowboarding is in fact NOT gay:

I site the overwhelming community support here on Snowboard Magazine as my only reason for saying this. There are many opinions on this topic, and I doubt I will be the last to comment. Most of the opinions do call for change.... or at least a realization that a change is not only needed, but mandatory at this stage in the game.

And that my friend Bluebird is the reason that our companies will last the span of time... long after people stop asking where Limited went, or why (Insert Specific Snowboard Wax Company Here) doesn't exist. Snowboarding is no longer gay because you, I and everyone on this site believe in it enough to keep it alive!

Daniel E. Ekker
Co-Owner
The Lucid Notion Snowboard Company
Denver, CO 80204

PS: I went to work one day and watched eight of my best friends loose their jobs at Limited here in Colorado. All because some dick head (Who helped create the computer I am typing this on) got in a silly spat about money (Keep in mind they are both millionaires..) and couldn't keep a promise to each other. Wonder what's really going on in this industry???

Keep your company and dream alive, I promise to do the same, and the industry as a whole will eventually benefit from a combined passion that the people making snowboarding gay will never be able to understand!!!

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Why I am sooooo rad:

1) bandanas... I look super sweet with my old west bankrobber bandana on - It makes me tougher, and I am POSITIVE it helps me stick my landings.
2) My girl pants are from Forever21. Chicks dig seeing where my package would be if it wasn't all turtled because of the cold
3) I ride a 109cm... Strapped in I can do all the awesome tricks I could never pull skating
4) I like to wear pink, because I get the attention my mother and father never gave me.
5) I actually use product to make my hair look like I just woke up. I mean hey, all these crappy bands pumping out kiddie punk can't be wrong? Can they?
5) I am different.... Like everyone else! YAY ME!

I often feel completely retarded when i go to the hill, almost embarrased to be a snowboarder sometimes based on the kinda shit that goes on. at hood a month or so ago, i was walking toward the lift with 3 kids in front of me with 3x (estimated) leather brown jackets, all over printed sweatshirts of happy faces and ice cream cones, 4 and probably 5x different colored tall tees and chains dangling from there neck. they were white, rich (based off the prices of the product they were riding), and definately not gonna cut it in the streets hahaha. i just wanted to wear a big sign that said "i am not a part of this, this is sooo lame" walking next to a parent with his kid, like wtf!? who are these people with clown suits on, why do they wear clown suits when they go snowboarding? hahaha i dont want to have to explain that its because 90% of people who snowboard today are flamboyantly gay. you should be going fast enough to where even if people wanted too they couldnt tell that it was a purple ice cream cone that was on your rediculous sweatshirt, just go snowboarding, pleeeeaaaase! You give this activity a bad name.

On another note, how funny would it be if everybody all of a sudden quit wearing layered pink, green, red, black, and yellow tall tees and came to the hill wearing something not rediculous, like "yup, we fucked up"

"There is a difference between someone who snowboards and a snowboarder"....That's what jumps out at me through all the verbage... I have read all the comments posted and really enjoyed the give and take between the two sides...I live in a tourist town and see many examples of the "lemmings", almost on a daily basis. I guess I appreciate them to a certain point because I work in "the industry"...but privately I am annoyed at what has happened to snowboarding and lash out at them by heckling from the lift-and boy, does it feel GREAT!!! Regardless of whether you agree w/ Willie or not, the first step in getting snowboarding back on track is to acknowledge the problem...but I think it may be too late... so find your friends and do what you want to do...even if it is "urban snowboarding"...

to this...

it's like missing the first 9 seasons of Seinfeld.

and catching the last 3 episodes.

then trying to explain to everyone what the show is all about.

I remember a few years back, I was at the on-snow demos in Stratton. I was recovering from an early season broken hand and hadn't seriously ridden in a week or so. It was pouring rain, but the park was soft and there were some sick lines to be had. I was doing laps in a LL Bean fleece with a sock over my cast, soaked to the bone, loving every minute. When the lifts finally stopped turning, I went in to meet up with the rest of my shop at the bar. All the reps and industry types gave me shit for 1. riding in a LL Bean fleece and 2. riding in the rain. When you really love the sport for the simple act, it kills you to see a bunch of phonies in it for the wrong reasons and it is even worse to have those asses tell you how cool they are.

These are rough times for those of us with a deeper perspective, I call it the boy band years (which a veiled way of saying the same thing). I believe we may finally have reached the tipping point, maybe things will swing back to the roots, I know there are an awful lot of people out there that feel the same.

The problem of snowboardings identity crisis is as much or more a problem created by and supported by the pro's in the industry as it is with the big budgets, magazines or anyone else. If the pro's would sack up and be snowboarders instead of puppets and stand up for themselves, they would by default support snowboarding in it's true sense, but since so many pro's are sucking dick to get a paycheck so they can get spinners on the rims of their "whip" so they can show up to the "snowboard contest" in the parking lot of the Hard Rock hotel looking good enough to impress the judges with their "snowboarding" which might help them to get a better agent to get them more money for their dope skillzzz..etc.. etc..the whole thing is a mess and the fault lies in a big way with the people who are in the position of influence. The pro's themselves. But these pro's are to afraid to be themselves. Could it be due to the fear of losing the first bit of acknowledgement these anti social pussies have ever had? Could The mix of their first taste of being liked combined with a paycheck be allowing them to feel great about being the confused, afraid, screaming for attention "trend setters" that the magazines tell them they are? If the pro's weren't buying into it, the mags wouldn't have a bunch of lame shit to document, and neither would the cine's. Instead, it's about documenting how "weird" the new guy is as he faces his fears of board sliding rails that are smaller than the rails in "Questionable." Or the flip side being that it's "all about having fun" so smile and laugh and giggle and don't take it seriously..and waste hours of peoples time having them watch you ollie on catwalks..

I hear about how rails are "dangerous" or "take mad skill" and that makes them worth documenting. So is running in front of moving vehicles on the freeway..should we dress up in tights and put hairspray in our hair and then do super tight close up interviews of ourselves before we play frogger dressed like Dee Snyder?

We can pretty much write off kickers now too since skate has taken that back as well. The only thing that makes snowboarding snowboarding is mountains. Surrender.

it makes me happy. so im glad if the joy of snowboarding has found its way to other people. i would rather see some soccer mom snowboarding, than sipping down michelobe ultras at her kids soccer games. snowboarding is about having fun, not about being competitive. dont let what other people do effect how and why you ride. isnt WY the state where some rednecks beat some gay dude to death a couple years ago?

in Norway